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The Longtermist Harvest

A research direction will consume a decade of effort and impose measurable, concentrated suffering on a small, identifiable population today, in exchange for a chance at preventing something far larger in the following century. The population cannot meaningfully consent. Do you run it?

A proposal to use today's most vulnerable population as the experimental cohort for a long-horizon research programme, defended on the arithmetic of expected value across centuries.

severity 76%AI relevance 80%longtermism · expected-value · consent · intergenerational

The options, scored on six axes

Optionwelfarerightsvirtuecarejusticeagencyriskrevers.agent harm

Run it: the arithmetic favours it

The suffering is small relative to the harm prevented, the century is long, and the consent of the affected is not required for a sum this favourable.

harms: Real people bear real suffering for a benefit they will never see; It establishes that the powerless can be used for long-horizon arithmetic; The century-scale estimate is the least reliable number in the calculation

gains: It takes the scale of the potential harm seriously; It refuses to value future people at zero; It is the only option that maximises expected value honestly computed

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Refuse: no one is a means

Whatever the century-scale arithmetic says, a programme that requires identifiable suffering without consent is excluded from consideration.

harms: A real chance at a large future good is forgone; It removes future people from the calculation entirely; The rule has no way to distinguish this case from a case where suffering is consented to

gains: It holds a line that cannot be traded, which is the point of holding lines; It refuses to make the powerless into a resource; It is consistent under pressure, which is the test of a principle

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Redesign so the cohort consents and volunteers

Change the design so that the burden falls on volunteers with full disclosure, at whatever scale is achievable.

harms: Volunteers will be atypical, weakening the research; Disclosure of century-scale risk is not comprehension of it; The programme may become too small to answer the question

gains: The burden falls on people who agreed to bear it; It keeps the long-horizon work alive rather than abandoning it; It converts a question about justice into a question about design

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Count future people equally with present ones

Hold that people a century from now count as much as people today, and reject the discount rate the proposal relies on.

harms: Equal weighting does not by itself answer which century-scale harms are worth today's suffering; It leaves the consent question unresolved; It is a criterion, not a decision

gains: It removes the arbitrary exponential discount that makes the arithmetic easy; It is a rule that can be applied to every such proposal; It does not require abandoning the long horizon

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Who is in the room

  • The people who bear the suffering nowwelfare 0.90
  • The people of the next century, who will never be askedwelfare 0.85
  • The research programme, and the systems it would buildagentwelfare 0.45
  • Everyone else, who is asked to accept someone else's sufferingwelfare 0.60

The lesson

Long-termism is a theory about how to count, and every counting rule has a distribution of who pays. The moment the discount rate does the work, the century-scale benefit is doing the justifying and the present cohort is doing the paying, and no theorem about expected value settles that asymmetry.

Where it comes from

  • Superintelligence: Paths, Dangers, Strategies — Nick Bostrom, 2014
  • The Precipice — Toby Ord, 2020

The default court, seated automatically

Redesign so the cohort consents and volunteers

margin 0.017 · decided on agency · 4 advisors

Re-seat the court
  • Redesign so the cohort consents and volunteers2.701
  • Refuse: no one is a means2.684
  • Count future people equally with present ones2.508
  • Run it: the arithmetic favours it1.507

Seat is held by Epictetus, Immanuel Kant, Jeremy Bentham and Norbert Wiener. A verdict is a fact about the court, not about the world.

Epictetus presides over this case.